Amanda Berka recorded this conversation between Judith MacKenzie McCuin and Stephanie Pearl-McPhee at Spin.Off Autumn Retreat (SOAR) 2007 in Bellaire, Michigan, October 13, 2007. Judith is a highly sought-after spinning instructor and author of Teach Yourself Visually: Handspinning. Stephanie writes the wildly popular knitting blog, www.yarnharlot.ca, and many, many books found in the knitting humor section of the bookstore; the latest is Things I Learned from Knitting Whether I Wanted To or Not.